Parks Comm PKT 10-07-1999•
CITY OF FEDERAL WAY
PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION
Thursday, October 7, 1999 City Hall
6:0012.m. Mt. Baker Conference Room
WORK PLAN
1. Celebration Park 2. Comprehensive Plan 3. Neighborhood Parks 4. Skate Park 5. Park Impact Fees 6. Community Center
7. Communication Plan 8. Off -Leash Park 9. Wedgewood Park 10. French Lake Park 11. Canoe Club
AGENDA
1. CALL TO ORDER
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
3.
PUBLIC FORUM
5 minutes
4.
REPORTS
A. Celebration Park
Wilbrecht
Information
5 minutes
1. Policy Committee
McColgan
115
minutes
B. Skate Park Update
Wilbrecht
Information
5 minutes
C. Wedgewood Park Encroachment Update
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D. Canoe Club
Written Report
E. Steel Lake Park
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F. Celebration Park Play Structure
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5.
COMMISSION BUSINESS
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A. Communications Plan
Kellogg
Information
5 minutes
B. Comprehensive Plan
Bollen
145
minutes
C. Poverty Bay
Group
Discussion
5 minutes
D. I-695
Handout
E. Hylebos State Park
Wilbrecht
Information
5 minutes
F. BPA Phase III
Jainga
10 minutes
6.
NEW BUSINESS
A. Agenda Items for Next Meeting
All
Action
5 minutes
B. Other
All
Action
20 minutes
7.
ADJOURN
Next meeting is November 4, 1999
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CITY OF FEDERAL WAY
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WORK PLAN
1. Celebration Park 2. Comprehensive Plan 3. Neighborhood Parks 4. Skate Park 5. Park Impact Fees
6. Community Center 7. Communication Plan 8. Off -Leash Park 9. Wedgewood Park 10. French Lake
11. Canoe Club
MINUTES
Present: Dave Armstrong, Jim Baker, Marion Bartholomew, Jerry Bollen, Laird Chambers, Dini Duclos, Chair, Karl
Grosch, Dave Kaplan, Vice Chair, Bob Kellogg, Dean McColgan, C. T. Purdom, Barbara Reid and Bobby Roach.
Excused: Mike Lane. Staff. Jenny Schroder, PRCS Director, Dave Wilbrecht, Deputy PRCS Director, Kurt Reuter,
Recreation Manager, Mary Faber, Recreation Manager and Peg Buck, Administrative Assistant.
Duclos called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m.
Minutes were approved as written.
* PUBLIC FORUM
Ed Opstad, President of the Historical Society, said there has been a roof put on the house at Fisher's Pond and it is
habitable. The Historical Society is working on two log cabins at Hylebos. They did a fundraiser that paid for the
renovations.
Jim Cron, President of the Friends of West Hylebos, said they are working on signage for the Hylebos Park. They want
to expand the parking lot area so schools can bring students in. They received two grants for $50,000 each (one from
King County and one from Washington State). The revisions are part of a joint development project with the Historical
Society. Cron showed the architects site plan and discussed the work in progress.
*REPORTS
A. CELEBRATION PARK TOURNAMENT SCHEDULE.
Wilbrecht reported that there is a full tournament schedule through September. Last weekend there was a 50 team
tournament held at the park using all fields. Soccer also held a 133 team tournament recently. Baker asked about the
tread marks to the soccer fields. Wilbrecht responded that it was done when the electrician was adjusting and repairing
the lights. Roach requested a tournament schedule for the 1999 year at Celebration Park to include the number of teams
and the projected number of teams for future tournaments.
B. SKATE PARK UPDATE.
Wilbrecht said the appraisal is not yet completed but all the work on construction drawings has been done. Staff cannot
progress until the appraisal is returned and reviewed. At that point it will be determined if the park can be built as
designed or in phases.
C. WEDGEWOOD PARK ENCROACHMENT UPDATE.
A proposal was faxed to vendors for a boundary survey to deal with the encroachment issue at Wedgewood Park. Those
inquiries are due September 10, 1999. Kellogg asked what the cost would be for the survey and Wilbrecht thought it
would be approximately $5,000. Once the survey has been completed, the neighbors will be notified on the boundary
lines. Wilbrecht said that would be the time to finalize what work is needed to complete the park.
D. FISHER'S POND.
The Historical Society has completed the roof on the building at Fisher's Pond. The Historical Society is a city tenant
of the property. Reid said Linda Jenkins is requesting volunteers for work in the park area.
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E. POVERTY BAY.
Wilbrecht has talked with Chris Carrel, a resident of Federal Way, on the Poverty Bay issue. Carrel would like to give
a tour to the Parks and Recreation Commissioners to see the work needing to be done. The tour will be organized by
Peg Buck and will include Armstrong, Bartholomew, Purdom, Reid, Bollen, Chambers, Kaplan, Duclos and Kellogg.
F. BENCHES/BPA TRAIL
Wilbrecht said there are benches on the Phase II of the BPA Trail. Phase I is needing some maintenance attention and
benches are to placed at each end of the trail. This will be looked at as a Scout project. Discussion amongst the
commissioners dealt with the need of rustic looking benches to blend with -surroundings.
McColgan asked about the hangar demolition. Wilbrecht said the building had been demolished and now the City is
in a lawsuit with the property owner to cover the costs.
Purdom inquired about the Blueberry Farm. There has been a good response to the "free" berry offer with 15+ calls
daily to the Parks Maintenance office. People are coming from all over the state to pick for free. Kaplan reported that
he had been to the farm a day before the commission meeting and it looked like the crop would last approximately two
more weeks.
G. CANOE CLUB.
Schroder recapped the last meeting with the Canoe Club and the actions taken by the Parks and Recreation Commission.
She distributed the amended draft ordinance and talked through the document pointing out the changes. She said the
Law Department had already reviewed it.
H. POLICY DRAFT/CANOE CLUB
Schroder presented the Special Event Permit procedure as a tool to facilitate park use. This procedure would be used
for the Canoe Club races and regattas as single events. For practices and long term use, a memorandum of
understanding could be adopted. Commissioners asked questions of Schroder on the process of Special Events Permit
approval, details and restraints. McColgan asked about the fee schedule and how it would pertain to the Canoe Club.
Wilbrecht's response was that communication with the Canoe Club would be the key factor.
Commission Recommendation #1 is to recommend the City Council amend Ordinance No. 91-82 Section 1, No. 29
Trials and Competitions as presented. Bollen made a motion to approve recommendation #1 with a second by Reid.
Vote was 12 yes and 1 opposed.
Commission Recommendation #2 was to recommend to City Council that the Special Events Use Permit as amended
by the Parks and Recreation Commission be used to review requests for Trials and Competitions as described mi •
Ordinance No. 91-82. Bartholomew made the motion to approve with a second by Baker. Motion passed unanimously.
Kaplan requested that notice to be sent to all people who signed up at the July 19 and August 5 meetings that the revised
ordinance would be discussed at the September 27 Council Committee meeting. Schroder confirmed that the address
lists were available and the notice would be sent.
I. ART AT CELEBRATION PARK
Allan Smith and Joann Piquette were in attendance as members of the Arts Commission. Mary Faber reported on the
art for Celebration Park. A prospectus is being sent next week to 4,000 regional artists in Washington and Oregon with
Celebration Park being one of the projects. Mr. Smith distributed a draft prospectus to commissioners and explained
the process in selection. The Arts Commission hopes to have the artist under contract by December. Reid asked what
a "regional" artist entailed. Faber responded that it had not been determined as yet. Kellogg stressed the importance
of having a member of the Parks and Recreation Commission on the committee to select the artist. Faber said there is
a process and all persons are important in making the selection and feedback. Duclos expressed the importance of a
Parks and Recreation Commissioner being on the selection panel for the artist and the art work. Mr. Smith and Faber
assured the commission that it could be done and they thought it a good idea also. Bartholomew reiterated the statement
that one Parks and Recreation Commissioner would be on the panel and they again agreed. Kaplan asked if the artwork
was state tax exempt with Wilbrecht responding negative.
*CONEMSSION BUSINESS
A. COMMUNICATIONS PLAN
Kellogg gave a report on the purpose and function of the Communications Plan Committee. He distributed a draft
document which was discussed by commissioners. Changes /suggestions were made. The draft was returned to the
committee and will be discussed at the October meeting.
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* NEW BUSINESS
A. AGENDA ITEMS FOR NEXT MEETING
• Comprehensive Plan, Wedgewood Park, Skate Park evaluation/assessment, Communication Plan, Steel Lake Park,
update on Saghalie, Poverty Bay report, I-695 effect on parks, police report/update, and play structure at Celebration
Park.
B. OTHER BUSINESS
Bollen gave an update on the Comprehensive Plan. A consultant has been hired and is working on the information
compiled by the subcommittee. The subcommittee is looking at revising the completion date and will distribute this
information with the meeting schedule.
Reid brought attention to a letter received from Betsy Presley. She was commending Eagle Scout Ryan Hall on his
project at Dumas Park. Reid thought a letter of recognition should be sent to the Scout. Wilbrecht responded that we
generally don't do letters of recognition since we provide the project for them to receive their awards. It will be
discussed in a future meeting.
Reid also suggested the Parks and Recreation Commission do a letter of condolence to the family of Ilene Marckx.
Discussion followed on the appropriateness of the commission sending a letter. Kellogg made a motion to send the
condolence letter. Chambers seconded the motion. Vote was 12 yes and 1 opposed.
Duclos suggested nominating a Parks and Recreation Commissioner to the art selection panel for Celebration Park.
Chambers made a motion to have Kellogg be on the art selection panel. Baker seconded the motion. Vote was 1 abstain
and 12 yes.
Bartholomew would like a date when work will be done on new and repositioned Celebration Park pavers. Wilbrecht
responded that orders are still coming in for pavers and it is cost efficient to wait until the company is out to install
pavers and at the same time, do the repositioning. Wilbrecht will check with Jon Jainga and report at the October
meeting.
* ADJOURNMENT
Kellogg made a motion with Grosch seconding to adjourn the meeting at 8:15 p.m.
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CITY OF FEDERAL WAY
PARKS, RECREATION & CULTURAL SERVICES
MEMORANDUM
Date: September 29,1999
To: Parks and Recreation Commission
From: Jon Jainga, Park Planning & Development Manager
Subject: Celebration Play Structure Update
At the October 7 commission meeting, staff will present several different play structures that fix
the existing play area at Celebration Park.
The presentation is to demonstrate the different types of play structures that are available from
local venders and to give the Parks Commission a first look at some of the traditional play
structures which have been used at the parks vs. the new trends in the play structures industry.
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CITY OF FEDERAL WAY
PARKS, RECREATION & CULTURAL SERVICES
MEMORANDUM
Date: September 29, 1999
To: Parks and Recreation Commission
From: Jon Jainga, Park Planning & Development Manager
Subject: Parks, Recreation and Cultural Services 1999 Survey
Staff and the Comprehensive Plan Update Committee have drafted the 1999 Park and Recreation
Survey. Attached is a copy of the survey which will be on the City's web site for the community
to respond. Staff has two other methods of presenting the survey. One will be advertising the
survey via the TV Channel 28 and the second will be a random phone bank. Staff has a group of
Senior Girl Scouts from Federal Way, ages 12 to 17, who will assist in a one night telephone survey.
As recommended the consultant, staff will be dividing the city into sections and selecting
twenty/thirty residents from each of the different sections to be called.
• Along with the three types of survey samplings, City's Web Site, TV 28 and telephone survey, staff
will also be mailing out surveys to all City commissioners and City Council members. This will give
us a current measurement of the community's reaction to our present and future parks facilities and
recreation programs.
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Dear Federal Way Resident:
As part of the Washington State Growth Management Act
requirements, the Parks, Recreation and Cultural Services
Department (PROS) and the Parks and Recreation Commission are
currently in the process of updating the 1995 Parks, Recreation and
Open Space Comprehensive Plan.
Public involvement is a key element in updating the plan. The 1999
Parks and Recreation Survey will compare the community's
responses to the city's current park and recreation services. It will
also assist the City Council in prioritizing needs, evaluating trends
and guiding implementation to meet citizen requests and needs for
future development and acquisition of parks, recreation facilities
and programs.
The Parks, Recreation and Cultural Services Department
• appreciates your involvement in completing the 1999 survey. The
time you take today provides an opportunity to continue the
quality of life we receive today and into the next millennium.
Thank you,
City of Federal Way
Parks, Recreation and Cultural Services Department.
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Parks, Recreation and Cultural Services Department
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1999 Survey
1. How many times have you used Federal Way Parks, Recreation and Cultural Services (PRCS)
facilities / programs in the last year? '
0 1-6 7-12 13-24 25-+
2. What three Federal Way PRCS facilities / programs have you used in the last year?
Name: Location:
A.
B.
C.
3. What do you feel are the three most import Parks, Recreation Cultural Services (PRCS) facilities or
recreation activities needed in Federal Way?
4. What do you feel are the most needed improvements in existing parks in Federal Way?
40 5. If you seldom or never use the parks in the Federal Way area, what are your reasons?
6. With Federal Way's population growing each year, should the City of Federal Way provide
more parks and recreation facilities to accommodate these increased demands?
Yes No
If, Yes, what types of new revenue sources would you be willing to support?
Voter Approved Bonds Parks and Recreation Impact / User Fee
Other
7. Please fill in the following information for the survey:
Age Group: 0-10 11-14 15-20 21-30 31-40 41-50 51-65 65+
Using the attached Parks Area Map, indicate which section you live in Federal Way
Northwest Northeast Southwest Southeast
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Park Commission Update
September 29, 1999
Skate Park
The Skate Park has been on hold until the appraisal of Steel Lake Park was completed. This was due
to a requirement from the Community Development Department to examine the value of the
proposed improvement relative to the value of existing improvements. If the project value exceeded
25 percent of the existing site improvements, then off-site improvements such as curb, sidewalks and
other street improvements would be required in the development. Staff presented preliminary
information to the Parks, Recreation, Human Services and Public Safety Committee at the
September 27 meeting from the appraiser on the value of the improvements at Steel Lake Park. The
appraisal shows that the total value of improvements is $1,720,000. The threshold value for offsite
improvement requirements is $430,000. Staff has estimated that the Skate Park project will cost
approximately $250,000. Since this is lower than the 25 percent threshold it appears the off-site
improvements will not be required. With this information, the Council Committee approved a
motion to fund $250,000 and to move forward with construction. The full Council will vote on the
motion during the October 19, 1999 City Council meeting. Staff is finalizing drawings and
resubmitting for permits.
Wedgewood Park
Staff has selected Dryco Surveying & Mapping, Inc., for the boundary survey for the park. The
survey will occur in mid-October. Letters are being sent to all property owners adjacent the property
regarding the survey and park development schedule.
The following is a preliminary schedule for the project:
Complete the survey by November 1, 1999
Notify neighbors of encroachment concerns November 1, 1999
Resolve possible encroachment problems November 1, 1999 to March 1, 2000
Mobilize volunteers for construction February 1, 2000
Prepare the area for construction March 1, 2000.
Construct the improvements April 1, 2000 through June 1, 2000
Canoe Club
Staff presented the Parks and Recreation Commission recommendation at the September 27, 1999
meeting. Council approved the motion and forwarded the recommendation to the full Council at the
October 19, 1999 meeting.
(Over)
Steel Lake Park
The Parks and Recreation Commission requested a follow-up report regarding the Family Fest event
in August relative to park maintenance. Generally speaking, Steel Lake Park does not have the
attributes that would or could be affected by heavy use such as Family Fest. The majority of the turf
is unirrigated and has a high ratio of weed grasses. During the summer months, the vegetation turns
brown and is generally compacted from both foot and vehicle traffic. As a result, the Family Fest
event does not cause significant negative impact to the area.
The improved area near the beach does have irrigation and city has been making improvements
during the past several years. These improvements include the beach house, funland, picnic shelter,
walkway, public art and irrigation in the turf areas. .
Starting October 4, 1999, staff will be restricting the fimland area for two weeks for renovation. This
work will include maintenance and repairs to the play structure, adding soil, extending irrigation and
reseeding the turf. Areas will be regraded to improve drainage. This work is a result of normal use
and will enhance the area for future use.
Saghalie Park
Staff have discussed the condition of the football/soccer field with School District officials. We
agreed the problem is directly related to overuse. Each July, the School District fills in holes,
reseeds and fertilizes the field. City staff provides routine maintenance. Starting in early August,
youth soccer starts practice and games followed by football practice and games in September. These
activities occur throughout the fall. Additionally, physical education classes use the field as weather
permits. All of this leads to overuse. In our discussions with the School District, it became evident
that a round table discussion with the main users of the field needs to occur to discuss use,
scheduling, maintenance and repairs. Staff will organize this meeting late fall.
Celebration Park Pavers
Staff has been receiving additional paver orders and has ordered the pavers from the manufacturer.
We expect to fill an order by the end of October and install in November. At that time, we will also
make adjustment/corrections to the existing pavers.
Communications Liaison Committee
Federal Way Parks and Recreation Commission
PURPOSE: To provide a consistent means of communicating information pertinent to Parks
and Recreation Commission actions or activities.
FUNCTION: The Communications Liaison Committee will be responsible for providing press
releases, notices of events, photos and/or opportunities for photos for the media
through the City of Federal Way's office of public information. The committee
will also communicate any changes for the City's web site or public access channel
upon approval of the Commission, Parks, Recreation and Cultural Services
Department Director, and City Manager.
PROCEDURE
A. Written Material
1.1 The Communications Liaison Committee will prepare press releases or notices
only if requested by the Commission and/or Commission Chair, or the Department
Director or Deputy Director.
1.2 All written material will require approval of the Commission and/or Commission
Chair, Department Director, or Deputy Director if the Department Director is not
available. The final, approved material will be released to the media through the
City's public information office.
1.3 Simple notification of events can be handled by the Committee Chair either directly
with the media or through the City's public information office.
B. Photos
0.1 The committee will follow the same procedure as A.1-3 for photos or photo
opportunities.
0.2 The committee will work with City staff or the media to place photos or film on
the City web site or TV channel, subject to approval procedure as outlined in A.2
above.
A. Oral Communication
1. In making oral presentations, the Liaison Committee may speak on behalf of the Parks and
Recreation Commission if designated to do so by either the Commission or Commission
Chair.
COMMUNICATIONS PROTOCOL
The function of a news reporter is to get a story reflecting as many opinions as possible.
Commissioners will periodically be contacted by the media for comments on commission business.
Protocol asks that you refer the media to the chairperson who speaks for the commission. If a
commission member wants to give personal comments to the media, it should be clear that the
comments are being made as an individual. Protocol also asks that the Parks and Recreation
chairperson or designate speak on behalf of the commission at Council and public meetings.
Commissioners can speak on any issue as an individual.
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CITY OF FEDERAL WAY
MEMORANDUM
DATE: September 23, 1999
TO: Dave Wilbrecht, PRCS Deputy Director
Parks and creation Commission
FROM: Peg Bu dministrative Assistant
SUBJECT: Number of Teams @ Celebration Park for 1999
Celebration Park hosted 624 teams for the 1999 season. I have attached the
schedule of tournaments and listed the number of teams for each tournament
• per John Hutton's information. The number of teams for the September 25-
26 tournament was not available at the time this memo was completed.
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1999 CELEBRATION PARK TOURNAMENT SCHEDULE
Date
Type
Tournament Director
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May 1-2
Adult Co -Ed
John Knox
34
May 8-9
Mens
Ron Zaffino
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May 15-16
Mens MDA Benefit
Brian Ankenman
18
May 22-23
Women's & Church
Mark Lewis
40
May 29-30
Youth Fastpitch
Steve Humphries
37
June 5-6
Youth Fastpitch
Gayl Bailey
22
June 12-13
Youth Fastpitch
Gayl Bailey
21
June 19-20
Youth Fastpitch
Gayl Bailey
10
June 26-27
Mens
Ron Zaffino
32
July 3-4
No Tournament
July 10-11
Mens
Ron Zaffino
36
July 17-18
Women's & Youth Fastpitch
Mark Lewis/Der Howells
50
N.W. Regional
July 24-25
Mens NIT
Ozzie Boyle
28
July 31 -Aug l
Mens
Ron Zaffino
28.
August 7-8
Mens State
Rick Byrum
28
August 14-15
Mens State
TBA
August 21-22
Women's State
Mark Lewis
44
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August 28-29
Co -Ed State
TBA
49
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September 4-5 Mens Ultimate Challenge TBA
49
September 11-12
Mens
Rick Byrum
24
September 18-19
Mens/Co-Ed
Steve Mundell
Cancelled
September 25-26
Mens
Rick Byrum
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From: Jon Jainga
To: WEBMASTER, SMTP."cumbre@foxinternet.net", JENNYS, ...
Date: 9/21/99 10:37am
Subject: Park for pets? -Reply
Thanks you for your comments and questions regarding the off leash area for
pets.
This same request was forwarded to our parks commissioners for discussion. At
this time we do not have an off leash area. The closes city that has an off
leash area is Seattle.
You may forward any comments or questions to the parks commission
Address: Park Commission
33530 St. WY South
Federal Way WA 98003
or call Peggy Buck at 253.661.4055
The park commission meets monthly at City Hall,
on the 1st Thursday, 6:00-8:00pm.
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MINUTES
In attendance: Commission members - Jerry Bollen, Chair; Jim Baker; Karl Grosch; Barbara
Reid.
Staff - Jennifer Schroder, Director; Jon Jainga, Park Planning & Development
Manager
Chair Bollen called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m.
1) Staff summarized the work that the Committee has worked on since July 20, 1998, and
reviewed the subcommittee's accomplishments.
The subcommittee has had a total of 12 meetings and has accomplished a lot of work. The
subcommittee's accomplishments are:
a) Final draft of new Vision Statement;
b) Final draft of new Mission Statement;
c) Final draft of new Goals and Objectives;
d) Revised Survey Questions for 1999;
e) New Format for Comprehensive Plan.
2) Staff reviewed a quick summary of R.W. Thorpe and Associates, who are the consultants
working with us on updating the Comprehensive Plan. %
Jerry Bollen sat in on the interview panel and feels confident that they can get the work done.
Bollen said that R.W. Thorpe is a small firm, which is an advantage because there would be
little overhead and they could do the work for the budgeted cost. Larger firms would have
cost us more.
3) Staff presented the newly revised time line for the project. The time line is outlined to follow
the new Comprehensive Plan format. Staff shared with the Committee that the files and
information currently being revised are being sent through the e-mail system to save time on
consultants/staff meeting. This will also save time and have a quicker turnaround on draft
sections.
Karl Grosch's only concern is that he hopes the consultant's files and programs are
compatible with the City's programs.
Barbara Reid wants to make certain that the Comprehensive Plan is easy to read and
understandable.
Federal Way Parks Commission, Comprehensive Plan Subcommittee Page 2
September 15, 1999 Minutes
4) Jerry Bollen discussed the Committee's role from this point of the Comprehensive Plan
update process. He summarized that the Committee's role will be to review and comment on
the draft sections of the Comprehensive Plan as they come in from the consultant. •
5) Staff presented the Capital Facility Plan to the Committee.
Barbara Reid recommended having a separate subcommittee review the Capital Facility Plan.
Staff recommended to the Committee that the Comprehensive Plan Subcommittee review the
Capital Facility Plan as part of the Comprehensive Plan update and make any
recommendations during this process. Then, in January, if the Parks and Recreation
Commission wants to review it in more detail, then form a subcommittee to review the
Capital Facility Plan in more detail. Committee concurred with staffs recommendation.
NEXT MEETING: October 20, 1999 from 6:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m.
TOPICS: = Capital Facility Plan
=> Community Profile Section
=> Survey Results
ADJOURNMENT:
The meeting adjourned at 7:45 p.m.
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CITY OF FEDERAL WAY
• MEMORANDUM
TO: Dave Wilbrecht, PRCS Deputy Director
Dave Armstrong
Marion Bartholomew
Jerry Bollen
Laird Chambers
Dini Duclos
Dave Kaplan
Bob Kellogg
C. T. Purdom
Barbara Reid
FROM: Peg Bu eAdministrative Assistant
0 SUBJECT: Poverty Bay Trail Tour with Chris Carrell
DATE: September 23, 1999
Chris Carrell will lead a tour for the Parks and Recreation Commissioners
and City staff on Wednesday, September 29, 1999 at 6:00 p.m. Please meet
him at the Poverty Bay trailhead at the north end of 25th Avenue S.W.
Because of the dangerous areas of the trail, he stressed to please dress
accordingly and wear shoes that are made for outdoor activity.
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